surreal1272

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You know what they about one's head and rent free living right? Guess who is clearly living inside his head, AND on his dime lol? That is all I am going to say because my past feelings on the matter still apply here. Ditch the poison.

I find first hand experience and facts more helpful than ignorance and unwarranted hysteria. https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/tesla-driver-details-survived-14-132951082.html

Then you didn't look at the right numbers if you're saying that the U.S. is on par with countries like Germany. Last time I checked, 73>64 (full vaccination) making that not an apples to apples comparison. First dose doesn't mean squat.

You sure about that rate? We are nine points behind Germany at 64%, not 76%. That 76% figure is for first dose only. Germany sits at 73% full vaccination rate.

My fists are rarely clenched and I stand by my statement.

And that happens only because of extra suspension goodies and an extremely massaged chasis. On its own, BOF will not ride well at all (ver bouncy for example). Here's what I know regarding the question I asked you. The 2012 is unibody and rides way better than the 2011 BOF PF. While it sucked that they ditched the BOF platform for it, there were good reasons for it as well. Also, I should note that my pointing this put was due to Balths assertion that GM and others are doing a 180 back to BOF after years of upsell on unibody, when it is not true nor does it make a damn if it is.

Very good points but I am not just referring to the super old stuff. Let me ask you this. Which rides better? A 2011 Pathfinder or a 2012 Pathfinder?

What I am referring to is the ride difference though. Yes, it looks like a traditional BOF but it rides like unibody. Besides harping about unibodies is missing serious context. BOF rides like $h! compared to unibody and that is a fact. Great for towing and hauling but garbage for everyday ride quality when compared to unibody. That applies to ICE cars only though as the Ultium is not like the BOFs of yore. To compare the two beyond that, in order to make some ridiculous point about what was being touted with ICE cars is not an apples to apples deal.

But in this case, BOF for the EVs is not the same as old school BOF correct? My understanding is that EVs like the Hummer will be using a modified version of the BOF found in their full size pick ups but that doesn't mean that EVs like the future Equinox will be like that.

When Cadillacs still ruled the world.

And I will politely tell that I know what both of them are and I also know the shell game behind it (for example, the invoice price is not what they actually paid for it). I am also politely declining any further discussion on this since you continue to cherry pick one part of a much bigger problem I have already covered in spades here.

Did you actually read what I said? I never said that they didn’t do it ever but they do not make a damn habit out of it. Why? Because they would go out of business. I cannot make it any clearer than that. The fact is that everything you just mentioned there is part of their well known she’ll game with numbers. You think they offer vehicles at invoice out the goodness of their hearts? Sorry but again, you keep moving the bar to make up excuses for well known problems when dealing with your average dealership. Again, see my above statement. That is not the norm and you know it. FFS. I said I was done with this nonsense and here I am getting dragged into the same endless back and forth with someone who will never see the other side of the coin and thinks that dealerships are necessary in the modern world. Well now, I am officially done. Conflate all you want. Move the damn bar all you want while ignoring the other facts that run counter to your narrative (like why dealerships fight tooth and nail to prohibit direct sales in states where companies like Tesla want to business). I’m out.

It is still their lowest seller so by your GM and Ford logic, it is a failure. Thanks for playing though.

That avoidance of facts seems to have spread to others, as evidenced by the last 24 hours. Shhhh! You know we don't talk about that around here lol.

You’re exactly right about that. What is also true is that the prices would be even higher if they used the dealership model. See how that works yet?

And what dealership is this because I’ve worked at three in two different states and the only time a vehicle is sold below MSRP is when it’s a carry over year model or otherwise something that has been on the lot for more than a year? Dealerships would go out of business if they made a habit out of that and you know it. You mean like how dealership lobbies have spent years trying to block direct sales in a lot of states thus taking away the choice for potential customers? That is making them the only choice for buyers which is the opposite of how a free market economy works. It’s almost like the dealerships want to make it mandatory that you have to “choose” them. Help it make sense Balth.

In the same universe, there is exists these two scenarios with the same person regarding the same practice. See if you can spot the difference. Dealerships and market adjustments=Good because of free market capitalism and customer choice. Uber and other delivery services expanding during a pandemic and giving customers that same choice under that SAME free market=Bad That is both a double standard and hypocrisy. And I didn’t even need ten paragraphs and fifty thousand words in one post to explain it. Ain’t that some shyte?

So what you are saying it that buying direct was far cheaper and far more convenient than having to haggle with a dealer over phantom market adjustments. Interesting.

You were not in that boat. You were pretty clear about your situation and stance with them. Like Robert said though, this thread is a mess and I made my case and I will stand by it. I’m just not going to waste anymore space on this than I already have though.

And I’m out…

And you clearly didn’t actually read a damn thing I said regarding choice and it wasn’t just about greed of dealerships, all the while you bitch about the greed of delivery services. Either go back and actually read what I said because I don’t give two $h!s about your votes one way or the other. Fact is your hypocrisy is right there for everyone to see and that’s good enough for me. And WTF is that so supposed to mean anyway? Just more babble or an empty threat? Which one? The first down vote was from you but hey, don’t let that little fact get in the way of more meaningless words from you. Maybe take up two more pages with this nonsense.

So how about those alternative fuels and propulsion? I caught on 10000% because I know you’re being hypocritical. That’s the difference here. And btw, I will continue to laugh at the hypocrisy and especially after your little “your words are meaningless” remark. Save the talking down for someone else next time. I stand by everything I have said here.

FFS. Where do you come up with this BS? Low volume? High volume? Who cares? You said they couldn’t sell $100K cars and I gave you just two that did. Besides, you never use that “low volume” excuse when folks bring your precious G-Wagen. Sorry but I’m done pandering to your endless bar moving. You said GM couldn’t and I and others showed you that they did and will continue to do so, end of story.

So about the alternative fuels and propulsion…